Mastering Local SEO: The Secret to Attracting More Clients and Maximizing Reviews (Ep. 98)

Welcome to another insightful episode of The Lawyer Millionaire Podcast!. On this episode, we delve deep into the world of local SEO and online reviews, two powerful tools every law firm owner should harness to boost client acquisition and revenue. Hosted by Darren Wurz, we had the pleasure of speaking with the digital marketing maestro, Seth Price. Seth brings a wealth of experience as both a seasoned lawyer and the founder of BluShark Digital, a leader in legal digital marketing.

Is SEO Dead? Not At All

Seth Price debunks a persistent myth in the digital marketing world—SEO is far from dead. He explains that while SEO constantly evolves, local search optimization remains a goldmine for B2C businesses, especially law firms. The advent of tools like AI has transformed how we approach search, but traditional Google searches still dominate when clients look for services.

Local SEO: The Cornerstone of Your Marketing Strategy

For local B2C markets, including law firms, local SEO has proven to yield the highest ROI. By optimizing your local search presence, you can compete effectively, even against much larger firms. Seth emphasizes the importance of creating a robust Google Business Profile, which acts almost like a secondary website for your firm.

The Vital Role of Online Reviews

Online reviews serve as the currency of credibility in today’s digital age. Seth estimates that each positive review could add $1,000 in annual revenue to your firm. However, it’s not just about having good reviews; it’s about managing them effectively. Poor reviews, if not handled well, can become liabilities.

Best Practices for Collecting and Managing Reviews

Develop a Process: Just like any other business function, review management requires a structured process. Make it clear to your staff that collecting reviews is a priority.
Incentivize Staff: Include review collection as part of your Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) to ensure everyone is aligned with this goal.
Respond Thoughtfully: Respond to both positive and negative reviews in a respectful and thoughtful manner. For negative reviews, a calm, measured response can mitigate potential damage.

Seth’s Personal Journey

Seth also shares his unique journey from a lawyer passionate about technology to the founder of a thriving digital marketing agency. He built BlueShark Digital to replicate his successful local SEO strategies at Price Benowitz, one of his earlier ventures.

Book Recommendations

As a lifelong learner, Seth recommends reading “Unreasonable Hospitality” and “Buy Back Your Time” by Dan Martell. Both books focus on creating extraordinary customer experiences and optimizing time management, essential skills for any law firm owner.

Conclusion

Mastering local SEO and effectively managing your online reviews can be game-changers for your law firm. These strategies can significantly enhance your online presence, attract more clients, and ultimately boost your revenue. Stay ahead of the curve by continually learning and adapting to new digital marketing trends.

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Transcript:

Darren Wurz [00:00:00]:
A single good review could add $1,000 a year in revenue to your law firm. Welcome to the Lawyer Millionaire, where we deliver financial and business insights to growing law firm owners so they can go from grind to greatness. When clients are searching for an attorney, they still go to Google. Mastering your local SEO strategy isn’t just helpful, it’s it’s essential. And what about those reviews? They could be your greatest asset or your biggest liability if not handled well. Today we’re joined by the amazing Seth Price, someone who not only started, grew, and scaled a law firm, but also founded the company Blue Shark Digital, a recognized leader in digital marketing for law firms.

Outro [00:00:52]:
We are on a mission to help lawyers and law firm owners maximize wealth and achieve financial independence. Welcome to the Lawyer Millionaire with Darren Wirtz from Wirtz Financial Services.

Darren Wurz [00:01:06]:
All right, Seth, we’re super excited that you’re here today. You’ve got a lot of expertise to share with us. I want to kick it off with a really controversial question, and that is, is SEO dead or dying?

Seth Price [00:01:19]:
So for as long as I’ve been doing this and I’ve been in the legal space as a B2C business owner and agency over 10 plus years, been going to SEO conferences for more than two decades, the topic of SEO is dead. Long Live SEO, has been on the agenda more times than I can count on my hands. In one sense, SEO is constantly evolving. But as of right now, the ROI that you can get from SEO, and particularly local search, is exponentially better than just about any other marketing spend that can be done if you’re in the B2C world. Wow.

Darren Wurz [00:01:56]:
Okay, so not dying. It’s still very much alive.

Seth Price [00:01:59]:
Very much alive. And look, it’s evolving. And are there things we don’t know? You know, we saw AI pop up. Okay, is people. Are people going to abandon Google and just go to ChatGPT for their searches? Well, people go to ChatGPT, but Google put Gemini up and I could say that I’m loving it. I love the fact that when I search for something, I’m getting answers. That’s awesome. And we’ve seen some data, we’ve internally seen lots of data that shows that search traffic to websites taking a bit of a dip, but monetizable traffic really hasn’t.

Seth Price [00:02:34]:
So as an SEO, it can be frustrating because clients love the pound your chest. Oh, I’m getting this much traffic. And that’s awesome. And what Google is saying is, whoa, yes, you have information, but we’re going to take that information in the form of AI and put that as a result up front. So over time, will there be more places that people go to make buying decisions than just Google? I am sure. Will it evolve and continue to evolve? Absolutely. You know, you never know if you’re at that taxi Uber moment, but as of right now, we are still seeing when people want to buy, they’re going to search. And local search, if anything.

Seth Price [00:03:12]:
We’ve seen traditional SEO, you know, as I mentioned, with traffic dipping take a hit and it’s harder to do certain national plays. But for local search, Google really loves the interface of the map pack with reviews and everything else. And so that that local interface giving people results that are relevant. And remember, particularly for Google, that local Google business profile interface is something they. So whereas you have your own website, and I’m sure the lawyer millionaire has its own website, but as a local player, most of your clients have a Google business profile. It’s almost like a second website. And so the SEO is significant because it helps make sure that that Google business profile is relevant for local searches. And yes, there is still search traffic coming.

Seth Price [00:04:01]:
So it is evolving, but certainly not dead.

Darren Wurz [00:04:04]:
Okay, okay, so what is, what is the most powerful thing right now? Is it the. The local search? Is that where the magic is right.

Seth Price [00:04:11]:
Now, right now for local B2C players? Absolutely. You know, if you’re, for example, a national player, you help lawyers all over the country with their needs. That can be a little daunting because, you know, you, in theory, you don’t have a local advantage anywhere. You could put offices. You might open hypothetically in New York and LA and a Miami office and demonstrate some locality. So you get, you get two bites at the Apple. But, you know, yeah, it would be pretty daunting trying to compete in financial services nationally, and probably not. And you’re sort of the ultimate B2B player.

Seth Price [00:04:49]:
So as I’ve been saying over and over again, B2C versus B2B. Most B2B people that I meet, particularly your avatar clients, if they’re a B2B civil litigator in house GC, my attitude is SEO is not the first thing you want to be doing. Which may be odd from a guy who has 300 SEO clients, but I’m like, no, don’t do SEO. First, first. Are you. Do you have season tickets to something? Do you have a membership at a local, you know, university or dining club? Do you, you know, are you. Do you have a podcast or are you doing a breakfast meeting that brings business leaders together? What are you doing on the B2B side, you know, for somebody who’s even smaller, if they had, let’s say you were hypothetically only doing financial services for family lawyers, then you’d want to basically target those people as specifically as possible. Whereas for somebody who’s doing anything nationally, it becomes a very.

Seth Price [00:05:41]:
Or it’s a very different case. That’s why on a local level, the local interface that Google gives us has been a godsend and is extremely powerful. And yes, they keep slicing away first paid search, then paid, you know, leads and LSAs, and now it pushed organic search further and further down. Yes. And the traffic has taken a hit. But when it comes to buying, people are still either using the local interface, which is getting even more powerful, or, you know, the organic is there. And, you know, if there, you know, you said, is it dead or dying? There has definitely been hits to vanity searches from an organic point of view, but that the play of organic and local together has still produced traumatic dividends.

Darren Wurz [00:06:28]:
Okay, okay. Wow. So the, the local search is, is what’s really helping. Like we hear all the time the question of how do you compete against the, you know, the big firms. Right. The big names. But I guess the local search gives you that avenue because you can really stand out based on your distance and your geography, right?

Seth Price [00:06:50]:
Absolutely. And your niche. We talked before we went on air about niche. So if somebody has a specific niche, say, you know, again, if you’re doing car accidents and Morgan, Morgan’s your market, that’s going to be hyper competitive. But if you’re doing trust in estates, you all of a sudden have an advantage because many of the other people in that space aren’t. They’re playing the referral game. You would have the advantage playing the local search game. If you are playing, let’s say, in the personal injury space and Morgan has offices downtown, can you find areas of the suburbs? Can you find geography which is not saturated by a major player? And that.

Seth Price [00:07:25]:
I call it like if you’re a fan of baseball, the book or movie, Moneyball, where you’re trying to find the most population with the least competition and using that as your competitive advantage to get enough eyeballs, traffic and revenue from local search.

Darren Wurz [00:07:41]:
Okay, okay, cool. Well, maybe we’ll open a New York office, something like that.

Seth Price [00:07:45]:
Right. And so look, in your, your world, you don’t have the, you don’t have the issue of, you know, I can’t have 20 lawyers in a market. That would be bad form. But for you, nobody’s going to care if you’re making money for one person and helping them figure out how to get their business ready for sale. They’re not going to care if five of their competitors are also making money through their financial. The level of competitiveness usually stops at financial services. So yes, you could go to a market where hey, there are a gazillion lawyers in the New York area. And if you are marketing yourself as the financial services person for lawyers now the issue is, is that where people are going for that buying decision? If so, it would be genius because tons of eyeballs, nobody else is fighting for that.

Seth Price [00:08:30]:
UBS is not targeting this. You’re going to have a blue ocean when it comes to financial services for know small and medium sized law firms.

Darren Wurz [00:08:41]:
Well, don’t tell anyone yet Seth, but you know, along this line of blue ocean, do you see a lot of opportunity in local search? I mean I just from my own perspective, when I get on Google Maps and I’m looking for businesses, I see so many listings that are done terribly right there. There’s no information, there’s one review, there’s no website, LinkedIn, tell me about it.

Seth Price [00:09:05]:
Right. Well look, look. So in the legal space you don’t see as much of that. But yes, you’re, you’re proving you’re, you’re answering your question with the point which is yes, lots of, lots of room in the legal space. The gig is up and people have websites attached and they have more than one review. But reviews are extremely powerful. I talk about that a lot nationally and I think lawyers should ignore that at their peril. It’s the currency that people use.

Seth Price [00:09:26]:
You just sort of acknowledge you go there. Part of the reason you’re going there is there is some support. Part of social proof. We do it, we do vacations, maybe on TripAdvisor. You do it for restaurants, whether Google or Yelp or whatever your, your demographic is using. But that, that is huge. And what I would say is I now have a theory that each review left, you know, ideally good reviews, not bad reviews, it’s a whole nother topic we talk about. But assuming you have good sausage making the product that you’re producing is good, right? And that you are doing work and you are have a machine to let people know that this is important to you by sending links out, etc.

Seth Price [00:10:04]:
That if you’re doing all of that, each review in my estimation is worth $1,000 of gross revenue annually. It’s that and growing. If you get 100 reviews for your law firm, I got to say that’s worth at least $100,000. God forbid you got 1,000 reviews, that’s worth $1 million. And when I say worth, I mean this is gross top line revenue. But that if you’re again, and then you have to be smart about it. Like obviously if you’re doing PI and there’s six people with a thousand reviews in the market already, then you might want to make sure you put it using those reviews smartly and making sure you’re using them strategically, but that those reviews are extremely powerful towards driving revenue and making sure that a great SEO strategy is melded with a great review strategy. And if you do one and not the other, it is not nearly as powerful.

Seth Price [00:10:56]:
We can do all the work in the world, but if we have a guy that’s three reviews and one’s a one star, that’s a terrible user experience. At the same time, you know, if there are people with tons of reviews and crappy SEO and Google’s choosing not to show them, and so you need to figure out what can you do that demonstrates social proof while at the same time not ignoring the best practices that Google wants to show authority digitally.

Darren Wurz [00:11:19]:
Wow. Wow, that’s fascinating. So we’ve got to get the reviews, number one. And you give us a great argument for why each review is worth a lot. What are some best practices when it comes to reviews and making sure that we’re getting them and should we be responding to them? Tell us about that.

Seth Price [00:11:39]:
Sure. First is have a process just like everything, right? Coming on this podcast, right. You reached out, you did it. You sort of said it’s going to be a. Do you have availability for this date? You were not integral to it. I’m sure you had an assistant that was helping with it. I had an assistant and it happened. I would say, you know, if you need 100 reviews for your firm, it’s not going to happen.

Seth Price [00:11:58]:
Just yourself. You need to bring your staff into it. And I’d say the first thing is letting everybody know that it’s important to you. That’s first and foremost. Second is making sure there is a plan and procedure and that you don’t ignore it as the business owner, as the CEO, ignore it at your peril. You can delegate tasks and it’s sure, but they need to know what’s important to you. And incentivized, meaning if they are doing work that they’re being judged and their KPIs don’t include reviews, likely they’re not going to focus on reviews. So making sure that that’s part of your KPIs make sure it’s part of there and continue to tweak.

Seth Price [00:12:34]:
There’s no magic form. You can’t say, do it this way. It’s going to work. If something works, then it stops working. Then you try it differently.

Darren Wurz [00:12:39]:
True.

Seth Price [00:12:39]:
For myself, we tried some tap tap cards where you could give it to employees so that when they see a client, they tap their phone and all of a sudden it pops up. That’s awesome. Well, that worked for a quarter and then people forgot about their tap tap cards. So we need to continuously evolve, find different things, see what works, see what doesn’t work, and do it. As far as negative reviews, which I think you’re sort of talking about responding because. Respond to good reviews. Yes. And let people know that you love them and rah, rah, rah.

Seth Price [00:13:04]:
But what’s much more challenging is what do you do when you get a negative review? And there are a couple things. One, bad review. It’s going to happen to everybody. Right. I’m sure even the millionaire lawyers had some unhappy client at some point. If they were with you during the financial downturns, they’re not as happy as they were when they’re high five in. The stock market’s going up day after day. Right.

Seth Price [00:13:21]:
So that’s a B. It’s having a process there as well. When a bad review comes in, first you want to check out, hey, if there are a bunch of them, maybe your sausage making has something to be desired. Maybe the person you have, you know, working the clients administratively isn’t doing the job they need to do first. Checking that out second, when you do it, my belief is there should be a process to reach out to somebody. So if somebody, if, God forbid, the millionaire lawyer had an unhappy client and you were able to sort of say, hey, hey, what’s going on? And they’re saying, you know what, you know, I tried to reach you, but, you know, your phones weren’t being answered. You’re like, oh my God, the voiceover IP was broken and you can fix it and get that client. You know, use it as an opportunity to get better.

Seth Price [00:14:07]:
Sometimes it’s the ship has sailed and you just want to say you’re sorry. But there are other times when the person’s like, oh, I didn’t realize you were away on vacation. I’m so sorry. You know, I know how important that was. This really wasn’t urgent. I was getting crazy. And then they take it down. So having a personal sort of just having a discussion, figuring out what’s wrong.

Seth Price [00:14:26]:
Sometimes just something as Much as I’m sorry or what, what? Just listening to somebody can make a huge difference. And then, you know, if all else fails or if it’s somebody you don’t know because very often it’s an anonymous or a, you know, a made up name. Respond thoughtfully because just like when you’re looking for a hotel, if you see people that are upset because there was some issue with their non refundability policy, well, it’s not good to see a negative review. You don’t really care. If it’s a question of bedbugs all over the property, that’s much more important. So what the, what the negative is about and how you respond. If somebody responded with hey, you wouldn’t give me a refund for the trip and you said you had a 30% discount because you had a prepaid reservation. That’s how our economics work.

Seth Price [00:15:12]:
And I, you know, that was part of our deal that’s going to resonate. And when somebody looks at it, they’re like, yeah, I get it. And it ameliorates the sting of that negative review. So I think first is to do the best job you can. Second is to figure out if there’s something you could do to make that experience better. And then finally it’s to reply. Reply thoughtfully. For lawyers, which I know is your, your demographic, I would say the first thing to do is to wait.

Seth Price [00:15:41]:
We all are. By going to law school. We’re aggressive, we’re hot headed by nature. Wait 24 hours. Don’t blow up the world. You know, as you know, you can do. You, you, you don’t want to. Somebody who’s already upset with you don’t want to poke further.

Seth Price [00:15:54]:
And you still have bar responsibilities. So you want to make sure that you are, that you want to make sure that you’re in a position where you don’t do anything that’s going to harm your ability to deal with, you know, you don’t want your bar license in jeopardy.

Darren Wurz [00:16:16]:
Yeah, yeah, that, that’s really great advice, Seth, that I actually have that rule for myself. I call it the 24 hour rule. If somebody is upset about something or frustrated, I give myself some space and some time just because I know I’m a human being. And if somebody’s responding aggressively to me, that might trigger me. I give myself a little bit of time to respond to that. And talking about reviews, many people may not know that negative reviews can be changed. This happened to me some time ago. I think it was Chick Fil A.

Darren Wurz [00:16:52]:
I don’t even remember what I left them a bad review for some reason, I don’t even remember what it was. But the owner. And this just goes to Chick Fil A’s culture, right? Right. The owner reached out to me and was like, hey, you know, sorry, whatever happened, would you be willing to, you know, change this blah, blah, blah. And I was, that’s.

Seth Price [00:17:16]:
That’s my case in point. You did.

Darren Wurz [00:17:18]:
That’s all it took. You know, it’s just something somebody was saying.

Seth Price [00:17:20]:
I hear you. I got it. Look, I just. My parents in New York, I just ordered Ubereats for breakfast from a special place. They left out half the order, including my mom and dad’s actual order itself. So that we sort of hot cobbled together what came and it was able to, you know, and through their bot, they were like, yep, refund. The entire order wasn’t even close. It wasn’t like, hey, you got half of it.

Seth Price [00:17:43]:
And it like, it changes the perception. I’ll be back to paying massive markups for it.

Darren Wurz [00:17:48]:
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Very cool. I love that. Seth, why don’t you tell us a little bit about your background and how you came to, you know, start Blue Shark Digital. You’ve got an amazing story.

Seth Price [00:18:00]:
Yeah, thank you. So I was essentially a lawyer who loved tinkering with stuff. I had been part of the first dot com bubble when the Internet first came on the scene in the 90s, late 90s. I was a founding employee at uslaw. Com and I. That was sort of a precursor to find law and what’s now legal. Zoom.

Darren Wurz [00:18:19]:
Yeah.

Seth Price [00:18:20]:
And when the bubble burst in, was it April of 2000? By by January 2001, the world was just a mess. Amazon stock was in the toilet. The only things that survived were like Google and Yahoo and ebay and a few other things. It was a pretty rough period. Reinvented myself with a law firm. Decided to divide and conquer. My law partner, Dave Benowitz, great trial lawyer, teach at Harvard Law. I was in charge of the operations and marketing and love the web and stop going to legal conferences and started going to SEO conferences and learned that really well.

Seth Price [00:18:52]:
Built our own teams like 20, 25 lawyers. And then about 10 years ago, celebrating our 10th year, took our then marketing manager, David Britton and basically created what is now Blue Shark Digital, which Now represents about 300 law firms nationwide. Trying to replicate what we did for price Benowitz using local search. We’re way ahead of the curve on that. Making sure the best practice of SE there so that when you wake up in the morning, you’re not in a position where you get wiped off the map, doing things the way Google wants them, following the algorithm, doing everything we can in order to get clients the best possible results. That’s the game we’ve played.

Darren Wurz [00:19:33]:
That’s awesome. What a great stories you’ve been in both worlds. The world of running and building, a law practice and also the world of digital marketing. And you were very forward thinking, I mean to getting involved in SEO way back, you know, after the tech bubble. That was really a bold move and a great move. Absolutely.

Seth Price [00:19:55]:
You could say that you look at it which way or like what the hell else are you going to do? Right. The world, you know, my whole world had collapsed. It was, you know, that, that did not seem like it was there. And so in essence I went back to the fundamentals of how do you connect? You know, when I started there were lawyers that marketed, but generally they were the worst of the worst. And so it was, it was rare that you had great legal acumen melded with marketing. That was a, that was a game changer at the time. We started with criminal, moved into PI, now family and trust in estates. But we’re able to do so because we were deliver, delivering excellent product.

Seth Price [00:20:29]:
It’s not easy. Even with excellent product there’s still problems, but it was, it made it a lot more enjoyable. Just sort of like as an SEO, I enjoy a lot more when we have a firm that does great work rather than somebody who’s get me the clients and we’ll figure it out. There’s plenty of room for that. But I prefer it when it’s, it’s that when you get it and the clients are finding the person who is the ideal person to solve their problem, that’s what brings me the greatest joy.

Darren Wurz [00:20:56]:
I love that. Fantastic. Seth, one last question for you. What are you reading right now?

Seth Price [00:21:05]:
You know the, the book Unreasonable Hospitality has been my sort of favorite of late. You buy back your time has been talking about the lat in the year is awesome and Dan Martell’s videos online are inspiring. But I, I grew up a handful of blocks from 11 Madison. Not that I actually dined there. Although if you read the book he started out, there was a sister restaurant next door, a high end Indian restaurant, Tabla. And then in front of that was a place the Bread basket, which was the inexpensive casual portion of this restaurant. And I used to go there after ultimate Frisbee in Central park and have a beverage at a piece of roti with some excellent tikka masala. So when I got to meet the author of Unreasonable Hospitality, shared that with him as well as the fact that my job in high school, college, summer was at American Festival Cafe, which is the skating rink in Rockefeller center, by winter and by summer, it’s a tourist trap restaurant.

Seth Price [00:22:03]:
And I believe what he told me was his dad, the author of Unreasonable Hospitality, was the GM of that restaurant when I worked there as a waiter over the summer.

Darren Wurz [00:22:16]:
Oh, wow. That’s incredible. Yeah, I devoured Dan Martell’s book. I haven’t read Unreal Unreasonable Hospitality yet, but I’ve heard a lot of people talking about that, and so that is definitely on my list as well. I don’t know this Seth, but we have a book club, the Lawyer Millionaire Book Club. And right now we’re reading the Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel. So if you want to get in on the book club discussions, you’re more than welcome to join. It’s free to any law firm owners.

Darren Wurz [00:22:44]:
We’re just having a good time with that, and I’m really excited to see where that goes. Well, Seth, thank you so much for joining us today. Is there one last takeaway for 2025 that you want to leave our audience with?

Seth Price [00:22:58]:
No. Just doing this today is sort of an example. Somebody calls you out of the blue, Take a shot. I’m a big fan of going and meeting people in person. I probably attend more conferences than 90 of other lawyers, and I love it. I love the interaction. But the next best thing is meeting people that you might be in tangential circles and getting to know them. So what I would say is be, don’t be, you know, completely, you know, be strategic, but take a shot every once in a while when somebody knocks on the door.

Seth Price [00:23:27]:
And you never know where that’s going to go.

Darren Wurz [00:23:30]:
I love that. And, Seth, if people want to find you, where should they go?

Seth Price [00:23:34]:
I’m all over socials. I got a podcast myself, the Law Firm Blueprint, which is me and my buddy J. Ruin. We do sort of a discussion back and forth about what it takes to grow a law firm, what we’re dealing with, and bring on guests. We had coaches at the end of 24. We’re now doing AI thought leaders starting off 25. So I really like that anywhere on social, spend a lot of time on Facebook, connect with me there, LinkedIn, or just stalk me one way or the other. I love to talk about this stuff.

Darren Wurz [00:24:05]:
Awesome. Thanks, Seth.

Seth Price [00:24:07]:
Thank you so much.

Darren Wurz [00:24:08]:
Huge thank you to Seth for joining us today and sharing his invaluable insights on local SEO, the power of reviews and actionable strategies for law firm growth. If you want to learn more about Seth and his work with BluShark Digital, visit BluSharkDigital.com or check out the links in our show notes the key takeaway from today’s episode is that local SEO and online reviews are two of the most powerful tools for attracting clients. Still, focus on building a steady flow of positive reviews, and I’m reminding myself of this as well, responding to every review, good or bad, with professionalism and care. It’s a small effort, and it could pay massive dividends. At the Lawyer Millionaire, we’re all about helping you grow your business, while building personal financial freedom. And marketing is a critical piece of that puzzle. Today’s insights from Seth show just how impactful it can be when done right. If you’re ready to take your business growth to the next level, we would love to help Join our free community, the Lawyer Millionaire Network and Book Club where we connect ambitious law firm owners like you to resources, strategies and support.

Darren Wurz [00:25:22]:
Or, let’s jump on a call one on one and I’ll walk you through our one page law firm growth plan. Well, this has been the Lawyer Millionaire podcast. I’m your host Darren Wirtz, here to help you go from grind to greatness. See you next time.

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